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#24 How do I measure energy consumption?

Caleffi North America, Inc. Episode 24

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Energy metering.  Is that EASILY accomplished?  Are there well suited applications for metering AND can a building owner be confident about energy consumption?  (YES!)  Greg and Dan, our Ask Caleffi gurus, talk about energy metering during this episode of the podcast.  They talk Modbus-to-BACnet (say what??) and what applications are perfect for calculating BTUs in a specific space.  Interested in a real-life example?  No problem!  Dan digs into an actual case study of successful tracking of energy usage with the 7504 Series CONTECA heat energy meter in action.

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welcome to ask caleffi the podcast that

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caleffi tech support team i'm greg tubbs

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hey there welcome back to the ask luffy

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podcast

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here we are coming at you again with

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another episode how we doing dan yeah

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we're doing good thanks for coming back

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so we get a question or a request every

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so often for

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energy metering do you guys offer

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something that i can use to

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read consumption yeah measure energy

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consumption yeah a lot of you may not

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even be familiar with it or aware that

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we offer it i mean it's a product we've

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had now for a while um

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last year or more has really taken hold

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we're starting to see a lot of these

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going in but that's our can take a heat

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meter or energy meter the energy meter

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the 7504 series yeah

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so we offer it in

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a variety of sizes and

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configurations yeah a lot a lot of

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options out there with it gives the

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building owner

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of the ability to measure the energy

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being used you know you can measure

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energy for hot water you can measure

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energy for heating

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space heating you know basically it's

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going to be a btu meter

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right it'll measure and record it

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all that information

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you can tap into it remotely if you have

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the data logger yeah we have a data

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logger or user interface that allows you

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to tie into it a user interface will

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convert it from modbus to bacnet so you

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can tie it into a building automation

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system and and watch the usage and be

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able to read and harvest the the

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information off of it exactly nice thing

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about them is

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you know you can tie up to 250 of these

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meters together that's a lot it is it is

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for a large apartment building that

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this is a great option yeah it's perfect

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you know apartment building commercial

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space

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any application where you're going to

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have a common

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utility service

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gas and electric service

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this is going to give you the ability to

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measure

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the amount of btus used in a space so

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you know when you look at calculating

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btus is simple you calculate your delta

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t between supply and return

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times your gallons per minute flow rate

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times 500 for straight water gives you

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the amount of btus used and this

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device will

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come with a supply temperature sensor

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and return temperature sensor and a well

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to install those in

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um and that's how it's going to measure

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that delta t so that's going to give you

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your temperature difference it also

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comes with a flow meter right and we

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have varying sizes here

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being able to

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measure different flow rates essentially

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different cvs so

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a single jet flow meter

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half three quarter in one inch and then

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the multi-jet

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um

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from

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what is it one inch all the way up to

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inch and a half yeah

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yeah and we'll we actually have the unit

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available up to eight inch flanged

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so for large commercial applications we

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have the ability to the sensors are

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going to come factory wired into the

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control

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and that's important

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this control is calibrated and to meet

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the standards it has to have it has to

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be

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tamper proof essentially so it has to

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have those the sensor leads are i

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believe they're 20 foot leads on each

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and they're pre-wired into the control

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and

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they're

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secured in a way that they can't be

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tampered with right and we'll get that

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question on occasion hey can i extend

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the wires you're changing the resistance

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values then which is going to throw that

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off right yeah calibration is going to

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be different right you don't really have

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a way of calibrating it unfortunately no

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that's all done at the factory that's

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all

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and rightfully so right because again

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trying to keep it from being tampered

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with right

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so we had a local project that we had

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these installed in and it was a great

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opportunity it was fun to go out on that

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project yeah you got to go out and see

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it in action and actually help the

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contractor set them up didn't you yeah

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yeah it was fun so it was

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a multi-family project

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it was an existing buildings and there

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were two eight family apartment

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buildings okay that were heated off of

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two boilers the boilers were located in

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the basement of one eight family supply

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and return piping went underground into

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the basement of the second wow

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and then was piped throughout that

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building and they were you know small

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apartments um

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hydronic uh fin tube baseboard for

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heating okay

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but previous to that

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the building owner was paying all

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utilities so he heat was included

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so what that owner had done is he had

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upgraded to high efficient boilers

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he had put an individual electric water

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heater in the basement of each one of

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the apartments so you know now that the

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the electric was separated but the gas

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wasn't okay so

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then in each one of the apartment units

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they installed it can take a heat meter

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okay and it was relatively easy because

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you know being common piping

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and you know

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each

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basement of the

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apartment complex had basements so in

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the basement you know it was common pipe

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throughout the unit and there was a zone

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valve tied to a thermostat for each of

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the apartments sure so after the zone

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valve he installed his supply

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temperature sensor

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on the leaving

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return loop from the apartment going

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back to the main he installed his return

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temperature sensor so that gave him the

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ability to calculate his delta t

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and then on the return side he installed

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the water meter and the water meter

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calculated his flow rates how many

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gallons per minute was flowing through

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that through that loop when it was

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heating and it was interesting because

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you know we were there and

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we were running it and it was

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calculating the delta t it was

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calculating the flow rate you know it

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was anywhere

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you had variable speed pumps on on the

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boilers so it was anywhere from you know

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maybe three quarters to

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one

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and a quarter gallon per minute of flow

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okay through the unit and it was

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measuring the temperature difference and

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it was telling us how many btus that

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unit was using in heating

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very nice

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and then

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they had tied a communication wire from

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each one of they can take us back to the

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boiler room um to one of the data

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loggers okay so

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we were able to go in there you know we

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had to assign each one an address okay

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and again you can put up to 250 cantekas

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on

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a single system sure you only had 16

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there yeah we had 16 other right

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and then at the data logger we were able

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to

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search and found each one of the

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addresses okay and then it was able to

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tell us you know how many btus it was

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using and it's going to record that and

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at the you know end of the month the

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building owner can tie into that he can

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tie a laptop computer into it he didn't

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have a building automation system sure

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but he could go down and plug in with

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his laptop and read all that info right

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pull that information off and and record

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it and and log it well yeah and then it

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gave him the ability to

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look at how many btus they used and

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separate and say okay unit one used you

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know x amount of btus and unit two used

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x amount and then he was able to take

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his gas bill and break that out and bill

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each tenant for the amount of btus they

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use that month sure well that's pretty

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handy to be able to do that yeah it was

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pretty interesting i mean you look at

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going from

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you know having from paying the gas bill

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which

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you know how rentals are you pay the gas

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bill and you drive by and the

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apartment's 80 degrees and the windows

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are open oh yeah i i'm familiar with

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plenty of those situations so now

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when the tenant's paying the utility

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bill

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you're going to see the thermostat set

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lower you're going to see the windows

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close because that you know that's

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affecting them directly it certainly is

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they got to pay for it so

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they're going to

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have a little more care in it yeah and

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the other option he would have had

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would have been to have the municipality

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come out and install a gas meter for

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each unit which is going to be a big

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investment

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and then put a

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boiler in the basement of each of the

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units yeah separating separate boilers

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so that's

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16 boilers 15 boilers that's 16 times

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the maintenance yep

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um yeah it's 16 gas meters gas piping

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throughout the entire building it's a

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huge lake venting would have been next

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to impossible yeah you know because

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either you're going high efficient which

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there you know the

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side-by-side apartments didn't give a

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lot of venting location you know if

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you're mid efficient they didn't have

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chimneys or class b vents to vent them

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so that wouldn't have been a great

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option as well um but this allowed him

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to

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complete his task you know he he

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made the investment in two new boilers

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and he's able to

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allow the tenants now to pay their

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utility bills so

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you know he's recovering recovering that

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as a

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return on investment so to speak yeah

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it's a great option to be able to do

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that

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those jobs are always fun to go to

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weren't they

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the apartments you know to try and

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troubleshoot

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yeah they are because

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you know zone valve is either up in the

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apartment someplace buried under the

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zone

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the baseboard right in the cabinet yeah

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or

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they're in the divided up basement

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somewhere and you don't always have

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access to it right yeah this one was

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really easy this was a like a perfect

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setup for the candeca

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but you could do this in a commercial

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application i mean you you know had they

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had um you know common water heaters and

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they had you know

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supply lines going out to

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you know each of the apartment they

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could have done metering on domestic hot

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water there's four additional inputs

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where they could tie in

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you know for gas usage to help measure

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gas usage or any anything

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you know a

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pulse signal will indicate great

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well i think that pretty well covers it

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doesn't it

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it's uh it's an overview i mean yeah

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it's a general overview of the product

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and as we start getting more questions

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and seeing things we'll be sure to share

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them with you 100 we sure will

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well

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till next time

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