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Caleffi North America, Inc. Episode 10

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In this Episode Greg and Dan - our Ask Caleffi Podcast hosts - discuss what a scald-protection valve is and why they are SO important (protection protection protection!).  What temperature of water is safe?  Dangerous?  Who is most at risk?  Are there applicable industry guidelines (hint:  ASSE 1070)?

Learn about how they work, where they are used, and why they are so important in the industry. 

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hey how's it going out there coming at

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you with episode 10 today what are we

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going to talk about

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dan oh we're going to talk about scald

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protection yeah skull protection valves

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kind of important thing in the plumbing

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world isn't it it sure is and i think

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you know people got to realize that

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we've got a lot of plumbing products out

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there and a lot more to come

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yeah so we're going to be trying to come

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at you with

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a plumbing and a heating like every

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other week right

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yeah yeah but skull protection is a big

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topic you know we get

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get a fair amount of calls about that on

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the tech line we certainly do

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so what is a skull protection valve

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and what does it do well skull

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protection valve is a point of use

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mixing valve

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it protects the end user at the fixture

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from getting scalded

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from temperatures that exceed 120

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degrees sure

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yeah i mean that that's pretty hot water

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it's not as hot as it could be but

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it still could cause a burn right well

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and i think that

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you know to remember that you know your

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skull protection valves are going to be

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limited at 120 and that's your point of

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use valve

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so that's going at the fixture in the

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home

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sure so

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120 degree water can be dangerous if

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exposure lasts

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more than a few minutes 130 degree water

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can cause scalding after 30 seconds of

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exposure boy that's quick yeah

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and then you have 140 degree water

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that can cause scalding in about five

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seconds right

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it sure does and you know the majority

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of injuries and deaths involving tap

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water skulls

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are elderly and children so a little

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slower reaction time

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they can't as quickly get away from that

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water

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right yeah i think i saw an article not

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too long ago that said over a hundred

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thousand people per year go to the

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emergency room for scalding

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that's a lot that's too many that is it

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sure is we really got to do our part to

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protect that

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you know and that's where you'll see

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that you know a lot of water heaters are

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set to

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120 degrees but you know what are the

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advantages

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of of of setting your water heater

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higher

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well residential applications that's a

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it's

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pretty common and it's okay to do that

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because

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water is replenished quite regularly

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right you know it's constantly being

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used whether it's a

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house full of people and kids or just

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two people i mean everybody's showering

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and doing laundry and

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there's a fair amount of water moving

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through the tank

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right there sure is but boy if you can

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boost that tank temperature up to around

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140 degrees you get more water storage

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but you need to protect that that end

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user from being scalded so that's where

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your anti-skull valves come in you know

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going in at the point of use

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allows you to mix it down you know

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to that 120 degree water to prevent them

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from being injured

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right so and typically you're going to

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see

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temperatures set higher in larger

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plumbing systems

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where the water can sit in the tank for

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longer periods of time

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and it becomes stagnant yeah you'll see

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that a lot in commercial applications

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yeah

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right you know it leads to bacteria

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growth like legionella

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where we can use the hotter water

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temperatures to kill

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that bacteria yeah provide a safer water

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system in the building

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but then mix it down to protect the end

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user you got to think about liability

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side too

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you know you get a commercial

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application

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and you're storing water at 140 degrees

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boy you got to protect that end user

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because that's a heck of a liability if

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somebody gets scalded

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in your building and you're responsible

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right

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so how do these valves work dan

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well they're very quick reacting valve

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that basically they'll mount at the

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fixture they're going to mix hot and

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cold water together

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to deliver you that lower mixed outlet

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temperature

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not exceeding 120 the

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scald protection valves fall in under

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the assc 1070 guideline

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okay so what that says is that it's

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located

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at the point of use or at the fixture it

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cannot seed

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exceed 120 degrees fahrenheit it

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has to be able to close off one the hot

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side completely

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to prevent hot water in the event of too

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hot of water coming through the valve

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yeah so the assc 1070 standard uh

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addresses the response time of the valve

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to make sure it can

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close quickly so dan how do these valves

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work

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well craig these are really just you

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know standard mixing valves i mean they

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work by mixing hot and cold water

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together to deliver the desired mixed

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outlet temperature

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you know they are designed to have a

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maximum adjustable setting of 120

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degrees fahrenheit per the assc 1070

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standard

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which is the american performance

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standard specific for skull protection

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valves

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the standard also addresses the response

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time of the valve to make sure that it

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quickly closes off the hot water if

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needed

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it also requires a tamper proof feature

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and a tool for adjusting the set point

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sure that makes sense you set it and

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then lock it into place

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right and making it tamper proof ensures

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that

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you know nobody can very easily you know

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having to have a tool to adjust it and

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making it tamper proof

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means that you know when you put it into

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you know especially like you think of a

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hotel room or

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or commercial bathroom you're not going

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to have somebody coming in there and

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tampering with it and then the next

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consumer user getting hurt exactly

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so assc 1070 skull protection valves

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come in three-way and four-way body

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styles

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the three-way outlet only the hot tap

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and the fourth port

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of a four-way body is an outlet for the

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cold tap

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there is a similar standard asse 1016

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which is specific to shower valves only

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as designed to prevent scalding right

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yep they do have

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that two standards so what about sizing

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and selection these valves dan

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well it's kind of like any mixing valve

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greg you have to know your

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application and your flow rate

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requirements you know so when you look

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at our models

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you know we do have a smaller four-way

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under sink mixing valve called our sink

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mixer

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that serves great for a single fixture

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up to about two gallons per minute

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we do have an option with that that

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allows you to plug

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the cold outlet so that you can use it

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for those sensor faucets where

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you're only requiring a hotline coming

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to it set at a specific temperature

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gotcha but then we also have a larger

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three-way option the 5213

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which is great for multiple fixtures you

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know maybe a bathroom with

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multiple sinks or a roman tub sure and

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i've even had

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guys call me that they're plumbing a

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beauty salon

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and the the hair wash stations so you

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know they'll put

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one of these to power maybe three or

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four of the hair wash stations right

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yep great application sure yeah and

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you know looking at our catalog i mean

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we've got a variety of connections

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available

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depending on the valve model and to suit

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most common

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fixture piping yeah the four port is

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pretty simple i mean that's going to be

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3 8 connection

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um that's going to be your only option

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having the four

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ports it eliminates the need for a t

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under the

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under the fixture it comes with a nice

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mounting bracket also comes with the

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adjustment tool

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you know where that 5213 is going to be

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the three parts so you would have to add

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a t in there on your cold side

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but still simple to do but that again

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gives you the multiple capacity

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yeah or the larger capacity i should say

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and

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has multiple connection ports or

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connection types

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sure yeah i mean i think the next topic

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we talk about here is servicing these

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you know depending on water quality any

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plumbing valve

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can accumulate scale deposits over time

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so

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regular maintenance is kind of a fact of

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life thing

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any anything that's coming in contact

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with water is going to need annual

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maintenance

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right and some valves can be repaired or

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cleaned but the reality is most

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contractors will just replace them

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because honestly

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by the time you take the valve out of

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service you know and

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you're going to go there on regular

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service hours when that business or

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maybe it's a home who knows what it is

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nine times out of ten these are going in

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businesses

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where they need to have that that part

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of the system

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in service right so trying to take that

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down and soak the body and

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and you know a lime remover or something

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a chemical it takes time yeah you don't

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have that kind of time so you go there

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with a body and washers

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you do the swap maybe look at that body

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that you just replaced and you know

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maybe it's not too dirty but it's

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definitely dirty enough where it would

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warrant the soaking

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right and you could keep it there as a

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spare right

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yeah it becomes a service part or a part

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that's interchangeable on the next

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service appointment

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sure so we also have

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the the five two one two like we were

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talking

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that's a pretty small valve i mean

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trying to take that out and soak it

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would be pretty difficult it would yeah

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it does have check valves that you can

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remove and clean

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and put back in and the services and

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screens so

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that would be the maintenance side

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getting in and flushing that valve while

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cleaning the checks in the in the inlet

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screens

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sure yeah i mean the other question i

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think we get too is well how often

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should i do it always depends on water

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quality i mean if you got hard water

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you could be there yearly for sure doing

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doing service

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on it it all depends on the amount of

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volume of water going through it too

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yeah you really don't know i mean as far

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as you know

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it's easy to say annual maintenance

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which would it which would

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refer to maybe once a year but you

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really don't know

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right it depends on water quality in

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your area water quality in the building

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you could be there

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you know every six months doing it you

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could be there every six years doing it

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again it just

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you just don't know right it's just like

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putting miles on your car

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right well i think we pretty well

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covered

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this topic yeah so we got a great

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selection options with the five two one

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two or the five two one three

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you know four or three port valve with

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different connection types so

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uh if you have questions picking a

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product give us a call

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yeah we're happy to help you out so tune

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in next week to episode 11.

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i believe we're going to talk about

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water quality in hydronic

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heating systems absolutely yeah water

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quality water quality water quality

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